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Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 30/6/2009 6:56 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
Hi everyone

Some of you know that I've mentioned that my college report was passed by my tutor. After it was passed on to the internal verifier I was told last week that it was a fail. The report needs to be rectified in a short space of time before it goes to external verifier.

I have overseen the surface picture over the weekend and emailed the internal verifier who promised me a full breakdown of why it failed on Monday. The internal verifier also said he had a lot on his plate atm chasing up other students who have not bothered to turn up to college to do tests.

The internal verifier has not got back to me yet. We are both aware that the report has to be in to the examining board by July 7th.

Is it colleges fault or mine? The original tutor who was supposed to be in charge of the report dropped out due to setting up another course for September. He then passed it on to the tutor who 'passed' me. The internal verifier explained that the tutor is not aware of the examining boards standards so he contacted me to say that my report has failed.

I'm furious as I have had 5 months to complete it and put it right before the examining board sees it. I'm also furious that a new course is being set up at the price of the present students and possibly tutors suffering for the colleges ambition to be a bigger college.

I've emailed the internal verifier to ask for an update tonight. If I don't get this report right I will have failed the course by a whisker.

I've had incidences in my life where I've been close to achieving goals then only to be let down at the final hurdle.

One example was a job interview back in 2001. The company told me that they would have selected me but I answered one question wrong and they failed me cos of it.

So I really don't want this to be a setback. I need help in knowing what to do next. Thanks.

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 30/6/2009 9:41 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
Hi everyone

I can understand the silence and no responses.

I am just slightly deflated not depressed but I want to do something about this while I can.

When I was out earlier I was remembering the times I've been so close to a goal or moving on only to fall at the last hurdle or two.

If this situation is not resolved by July 7th - I am going to see the tutors and ask if I can carry on just that unit a bit more and request guidance throughout. I feel that the lack of guidance and assistance from college has held me back - I'm sure that the college wants me to graduate and pass that level.

Being close to an achievement and failing at the last minute has been one reason why I have this fear of failure or moving on. I try and get feedback on why I've not moved on.

Having said that I'm now at the final hurdle of my biological clock - *sigh* its going to be very difficult for me to have kids at this late stage in life. A 39 year old I know has recently had a baby but its not without difficulties.

Thats why I am determined to have a career in life - I have to deal with the setbacks as I go along. At times I feel like I'm giving up and letting myself down so thats why I'm analysing my pitfalls atm.

At least people who have only known me a short time have no idea what I've been through just to get to where I am at now.

Sorry for ranting on - I thought someone would have some advice. I will keep persevering. 

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 30/6/2009 10:12 PM BST
Total posts: 211
First post: 14/9/2008
Last post: 18/11/2009
Hi Purpleflower,

It's really horrible when circumstances seem to conspire against you, especially in an academic or work setting. I've had awful problems with exams and assessments in the past that have not been my fault. All you can do right now is rectify the problem with your work as best you can. Call the internal verifier again, call the college, get the head of department for your course if necessary! This is your education, your life and it's important to you so do everything in your power to put it right. If no one gets back to you, you need to complain about the college and get to the bottom. It's their fault, not yours.

Do you have an idea about what is wrong with the report? If so, I'd start making the changes right away, keeping a copy of every draft you make. Then when the time comes, even if no one has gotten back to you, you can hand in the next draft. Can you get hold of the assessment criteria? Then go through it the assessment with a fine tooth comb matching it up to the criteria as close as possible. Do you have friends who could go through it and read it to see what they think?

Don't lose heart with it, you'll do it. Sometimes things look bleak and it seems impossible but you have to believe in yourself and be determined. If it makes you feel better I've had all kinds happen in exams, fire alarms, getting really sick and being sent into isolation, exam papers being marked wrongly, exams being lost. etc. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Good luck!

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 8:56 AM BST
Total posts: 2350
First post: 6/10/2005
Last post: 21/11/2009
Hi pf,

First of all, I can understand why this is making you think of many other times you've been 'this close' and not succeeded, but you have to put those out of your mind now, and concentrate on this one. Because this is one you can win. I don't know if you remember, but I've said before that I'm course director for a BSc Honours programme, so I know of what I speak!

This is not your fault, and the college shold be doing all it can to help you out of it. The tutor who left to do other things isn't relevant, but the fact that his replacement wasn't competent to do the job is. You were working on the report for 5 months. If he told you the work was acceptable, you should not be disadvantaged by his incompetence.

You need to see, in order....

The internal. He will be getting leaned on very heavily by the college high ups to get as mnay students as possible hrough, because retention and achievement is a major policy and funding issue. But chansing up those who couldn't even bother to turn up should not come ahead of 15 - 30 minutes to explain the problems to someone who did the work, on time, and has been told that it isn't of the right standard only at the very last minute. I know from other posts and threads of yours that you don't always find it easy to be assertive, but in this case (and knowing that it isn't your fault) you're going to have to be. Don't ring him, don't email him, go in, stand in front of him, explain his duty of care to you, and refuse to leave until he gives you the explanation. IF you feel that you can make the necessary changes in the time available, and you want to take the line of least resistance, get it done. But remember it has to be done in time to be remarked and verified before it goes to the external, so you need to have finished it before that, and you need to get assusrances that when you hand it in it will be marked immediately, just in case there's still something you've missed. Also, I don't know what your college's policy is. Some places have a rule that if a piece of work fails, when it's redone it can get only the marks for a bare pass (usually 40%) no matter how good it is. Insist that yours be remarked as a first submission, not as a referral.

If there is anything there that the internal won't do, or says he will do, go straight to the Head of Department. Don't even consider worrying about being thought of as a trouble maker, they are the ones in the wrong. I would actually recommend seeing the department head anyway - make him/her aware of what's going on, say that you're giving the internal chance to help you, but that you don't have much time.

And if the head won't help, or doesn't seem interested, go and knock on the door of the Vice Principal with responsibility for the curriculum and teaching, and after that the Principal, and after that, if it gets that far, to the governors.

But I don't think it will have to go very far at all, as long as you are clear with them that you have researched your situation, and found out that this is absolutely their problem not yours, and you are not prepared to fail because staff did not do their jobs properly.

Stand up for yourself, knowing that you are in the right. Good luck, and if it doesn't get resolved let me know. I'll advise you how to proceed.

BJx

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 5:57 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
In Response to Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report:
[QUOTE]Hi Purpleflower, It's really horrible when circumstances seem to conspire against you, especially in an academic or work setting. I've had awful problems with exams and assessments in the past that have not been my fault. All you can do right now is rectify the problem with your work as best you can. Call the internal verifier again, call the college, get the head of department for your course if necessary! This is your education, your life and it's important to you so do everything in your power to put it right. If no one gets back to you, you need to complain about the college and get to the bottom. It's their fault, not yours.

Do you have an idea about what is wrong with the report? If so, I'd start making the changes right away, keeping a copy of every draft you make.  The main points have been outlined to me and explained to me. I've got a copy of the drafts on a stick and my computer.

Then when the time comes, even if no one has gotten back to you, you can hand in the next draft. Can you get hold of the assessment criteria? Then go through it the assessment with a fine tooth comb matching it up to the criteria as close as possible. Do you have friends who could go through it and read it to see what they think? Don't lose heart with it, you'll do it. Sometimes things look bleak and it seems impossible but you have to believe in yourself and be determined. If it makes you feel better I've had all kinds happen in exams, fire alarms, getting really sick and being sent into isolation, exam papers being marked wrongly, exams being lost. etc. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Good luck!

I've got a copy of the criteria and its reference points - it may be worth looking at it again. I had to put the reference point on a column. I've been told that I mapped it wrong so I'm waiting for a verification on it.

Thanks.


Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 6:07 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
In Response to Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report:
Hi pf, First of all, I can understand why this is making you think of many other times you've been 'this close' and not succeeded, but you have to put those out of your mind now, and concentrate on this one. Because this is one you can win.

I don't know if you remember, but I've said before that I'm course director for a BSc Honours programme, so I know of what I speak! This is not your fault, and the college shold be doing all it can to help you out of it. The tutor who left to do other things isn't relevant, but the fact that his replacement wasn't competent to do the job is.

The tutor who was assigned to oversee the report had to drop out due to a new course being set up. He is the course director. He delegated it to his replacement his students. It may not just be me its other students in the same boat. I met one when I went to college last week.

You were working on the report for 5 months. If he told you the work was acceptable, you should not be disadvantaged by his incompetence. You need to see, in order.... The internal. He will be getting leaned on very heavily by the college high ups to get as mnay students as possible hrough, because retention and achievement is a major policy and funding issue.

Yes and the funding issue affects other courses like the new course being set up. Its not going to look very good if a new course is being set up and students at the final stage of present courses are failing through no fault of their own.

 
But chansing up those who couldn't even bother to turn up should not come ahead of 15 - 30 minutes to explain the problems to someone who did the work, on time, and has been told that it isn't of the right standard only at the very last minute. I know from other posts and threads of yours that you don't always find it easy to be assertive, but in this case (and knowing that it isn't your fault) you're going to have to be. Don't ring him, don't email him, go in, stand in front of him, explain his duty of care to you, and refuse to leave until he gives you the explanation. IF you feel that you can make the necessary changes in the time available, and you want to take the line of least resistance, get it done. But remember it has to be done in time to be remarked and verified before it goes to the external, so you need to have finished it before that, and you need to get assusrances that when you hand it in it will be marked immediately, just in case there's still something you've missed. Also, I don't know what your college's policy is. Some places have a rule that if a piece of work fails, when it's redone it can get only the marks for a bare pass (usually 40%) no matter how good it is. Insist that yours be remarked as a first submission, not as a referral. Point taken - the internal person has not got back to me yet probably still chasing up students who don't bother!

If there is anything there that the internal won't do, or says he will do, go straight to the Head of Department. Don't even consider worrying about being thought of as a trouble maker, they are the ones in the wrong. I would actually recommend seeing the department head anyway - make him/her aware of what's going on, say that you're giving the internal chance to help you, but that you don't have much time.

The course director was the one who dumped me onto an incompetent replacement - its not going to look good for the college.
 
And if the head won't help, or doesn't seem interested, go and knock on the door of the Vice Principal with responsibility for the curriculum and teaching, and after that the Principal, and after that, if it gets that far, to the governors. But I don't think it will have to go very far at all, as long as you are clear with them that you have researched your situation, and found out that this is absolutely their problem not yours, and you are not prepared to fail because staff did not do their jobs properly. Stand up for yourself, knowing that you are in the right. Good luck, and if it doesn't get resolved let me know. I'll advise you how to proceed. BJx

Thanks - I've tried to chase up the internal person last night - he has not got back to me yet. I will have to go into college tomorrow if its not done. Its the final meeting for my level students - I was not going to go as I have been through it last year but the tutor have to be aware that they are not doing their job properly.

I am now aware if I have to win I have to stand up for myself sometimes and I find it difficult to do it.

A big thanks for your help - I came on HB hoping that someone is in the know about this sort of thing.

Posted by BillieJay

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 6:54 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
Hi everyone

I've sent another email tonight.

I've explained that next Tuesday is a short space of time to wrap things up and that the internal verifier had promised to get back to me on Monday with an annotated report of my failings if you like.

I've also told him if the email does not materialise tomorrow I will make a complaint about the course to college and why.

I am so fed up of people walking over me - I want to get the qualification and not wait until 2010.

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 7:05 PM BST
Total posts: 6501
First post: 10/3/2005
Last post: 6/9/2009
Best of luck with it PF. Can't add any extra advice to BJ's post, but I hope you get things sorted xx

What's so good about another person anyway? All they do is
manhandle your boobs and eat all the ham.

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 7:08 PM BST
Total posts: 9218
First post: 1/10/2006
Last post: 14/11/2009
Hi Adora

BJ gave me brilliant advice - hopefully it will not get too far but I will have ammunition in case I need it.

Thanks for your support.

Re: Problems with trying to move things forward - college report

posted at 1/7/2009 9:03 PM BST
Total posts: 3276
First post: 23/7/2003
Last post: 22/11/2009
i'd write to the person in charge of the whole dept/faculty/college and express your concerns and point out that your report was okayed ages ago and only now at the last minute have you been told it's failed and noone will tell you how to improve it. are you paying for this course? put that in the letter too. people get their arses into gear when someone higher up starts breathing down their necks...
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